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Old 01-10-2005, 06:07 PM Reply With Quote


I love what you guys/gals have been doing with the Sumi-e variants and thought you might enjoy this painting by Andrew Jones. The file name includes "deathfear" so I suppose that, and the skull indicate the intended subject (??). Someone posted the link as an example when asking about what he described as the "rake tool" Android said he uses.


Since the Sumi-e's Digital Sumi-e variant and Pens' Scratchboard Tool variant both use the Stroke Type Rake, I guess either could be adjusted to paint this way.

In any case, I really like this one a lot, as I do all of the paintings you've been doing.

Andrew Jones Painting

Hope you enjoy it too.
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That's a great pic Jin, macabre but with lovely rythmic flow in the lines.

And thank you for the nice words about our sumi-e-xperiments too.

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Beautiful work Jin. Very well done and agree with Maeve, this guy has
some macabre looking on this image
I dont know why but these sumie brushes remind me of another tecnique, just like those used by Dore, would like to know what Paulo think!
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Al, the sumi-e brush reminds engraving works (talho-doce), used until nowadays in money printing. Doré used woodcut (xilogravura) instead engraving, but sumi-e brush reminds his works, too.
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Hi folks,

Good to hear you enjoyed seeing Andrew's painting.

Someone on the forum where the "rake tool" question was asked, today said (don't know how he knew) that the brush variant used for Andrew's painting was the Loaded Palette Knife (there are two in separate categories in Painter 6, Painter 7, Painter 8, and Painter IX).

He said the adjustment needed is in the Size palette, moving the Feature slider to the right to make the lines spread. It does work, but I'd prefer using either the Sumi-e's Digital Sumi-e or the Pen's Scratchboard Tool since the Loaded Palette Knife requires Tilt capability to control how the brushstrokes look and not everyone has a Wacom tablet that supports Tilt.

It's possible to simulate Tilt by making adjustments in the Mouse palette but it seems like an unnecessary pain in the neck... to me.. and I'm not even sure how well that works.

Anyone here who can tell us their experience adjusting the Mouse palette sliders to simulate Tilt with a non-Tilt supporting Wacom tablet or mouse?
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These images remind me of intaglio etching which I guess some might call engraving. Anyone know the difference?

Comparing these images with intaglio etching, the difference most noticable is the parallel lines that could be done with etching but not so easily. Also, there are other ways of etching a plate like aquatint that creates a texture rather than lines.

All of the above based on my limited experience doing zinc plate etching in a printmaking class in the early '70s. I'd love to do more of it now but don't know where I could find a class.

The instructor is retired now and I vaguely recall someone saying the school would be dropping the printmaking classes. Too bad, since it was great fun working with all kinds of print making from zinc plates to paper litho, to photo printing (not with camera equipment).

Recently, I've been thinking about reproducing some of the aspects of my zinc plate etchings for use in Painter (don't ask me to show you my etchings... they're not much to write home about even if they were fun to do and I learned a lot).
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Jin - As I recall, intaglio is an umbrella term that several methods of printmaking fall under. Engraving and etching would both be considered intaglio. The differences lie in how the lines get into the plates. In engraving you would cut into the metal. With etching, a ground would be coated, and the image would be drawn onto the ground, exposing the metal. Then the plate would go in an acid bath and the exposed portions would be eaten away. With something like drypoint, you'd use a needle directly on the metal. There are several other methods.
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You are right, Jeff. I only didn't know the term "intaglio" as a generic name.
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Thanks, Jeff.

That makes sense and it's the way I thought of intaglio since it was explained to us that this term means cutting into the metal.

Whether the scriber (pointed metal tool) is used to cut directly into the metal or into the resist painted on the metal then acid does the cutting, the end result is the same/similar.

It was the resist/scribe to remove resist/acid bath method we used along with aquatint where some powdery substance is sprinkled onto the plate to serve as the resist (as I vaguely recall).

Inking the plate for each color was a trip. I'm sure it takes some time to become good at doing that. Though I went into the class on weekends just to get in more time, a quarter isn't long enough to learn as much as one would like.

We used an old press with water soaked/dripped to remove excess water BFK paper and hand cranked the press. It was so fun watching the plate go through the press, then peeling the paper off the plate to see the results.

It was a new thing to me, back then, thinking in reverse when drawing on the resist covered plate.
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